His first markers were the Nelson-based Ranger and Commando pumps, and the Sheridan-based Sniper pump markers. Later, he developed a kit using a pneumatic ram, a low pressure regulator, and a 3 way valve with linkage rod to convert the Sniper into a semiautomatic marker Technically it was a self-cocking marker, not a true semi auto, but for simplicity we will refer to it as a semi!
The result was the Legendary Autococker, one of the most loved, hated, and successful marker designs of all time. Loved, because players who learned its secrets had a smooth, fast and consistent marker.
Hated, because in the hands of those who did not learn how to properly tune it were always frustrated. Successful, because the design sold hundreds of thousands of units and was the top marker in tournament paintball for years.
The Autococker kickstarted the aftermarket part industry. Soon there was a huge variety of upgrade low pressure regulators, front blocks, back blocks, bolts, 3 ways, triggers and frames to choose from.
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Item specifics. Seller Notes:. He is a regular and we have not had any problems with his purchases in the past. But this item is being Sold as is with No Returns. Wish I could. Im definatley interested, as I bet many others Be sure to keep us informed! I'm interested. Jack, Thats a good idea. I think that we've contemplated that before. As I recal the prices seemed horrendous, but they have to make a profit to and the quanity that we wanted just wasnt enough.
I think they wanted to charge per body, for gripframe, 60 for trigger and for front block That was for a run of 5. We couldnt afford to get anymore then 5 done and even that was strecthing it. Since then we've combined the front block and grip frame. We're getting the machining done at a friends shop for I think the cost of the aluminum.
There wont be programming charges like there would have been because we are now drawing it up in a 3D CAD programe ourselves. Weve talked about getting circuit boards made for between 50 and Not for the morlock like we figured. Delta Paintball is local Bob longs shop and were pretty good friends with them.
I would bet that we could get some torpedo regulators at a discount. If that's the reg we decide; havn't even thought about it All thats left is barrels and solenoids. I think that we cant get lower than : Gotta go, cya guys later. Mabye i did, mabye i just filled up valuable space. But I've started making the parts. Heres the first; but it will be divided up into two parts later. Looking forward to that. Heres where we are: What do you like about it? I was going for sleek but it might be borderline plain :.
Looks good. Will the frame separate from the body, and will it take standard grips? A couple of things maybe to think about when making the bodies. Maybe interchangeable breeches for warps Unless AGD has it patented already and also maintainence. Ex: try to make it easy to fix common problems like O-rings and seals. The interchangable breechs is a thought; Does anyone know if the removing style of breeches for the matrix is patented?
As far as maintainence, we've got a total of 4 o-rings. Other then that, there are no seals. Try looking for a patent search service on the internet that is up to date. I don't know Can't be too much if so. I'll take a look though.
I just went through the whole thread That is pretty sweet!!! I think it is funny how people are thinking about milling already!
I have three questions. The First: What is the overall length of the body??? The Third 4 Parts Thank you. I probably shouldn't be thinking about the milling But Richy's got the electronics covered and I'm here drawing it up; Why not spend some time on cosmetics: The length of the body about 9 to10 inches long It's open bolt Where using what comes in an intimidator, I believe its a skinner.
They are indirect acting as opposed to something like a MAC valve, which is direct. It's been a while since I was researching the whole solenoid thing, but as memory recalls, put simply: the indirect has a solenoid that controls a pilot valve which controls a bigger valve. The direct has a solenoid that controls just one valve the bigger valve in the indirect. Sorry for the crappy explantion Anyway, indirect cycle slower than direct, but get a much better shot count I remeber hearing something like ms to cycle, but that sounds real slow to me now, it may have been 6.
I believe it was ish. I don't think they normally sell to the public. Hey, I'm looking for you guys opinion on one aspect of the marker. Our current design allows the gun to be easily stripped.
When the gun is degassed, all it takes is pushing a button and the gripframe and the gun slide apart, all of the internals are visible but still attached to the gripframe. This is so that: 1. Your marker doesn't fall apart on you if you happen to nudge up against the button 2. You forget the marker is gassed; Strip it down and have air going everwhere 3. The marker falls apart in your gearbag. Also note that it's not like some markers timmy comes to mind where you remove the gripframe and you've still got these hoses being pulled on.
Now for the disadvantages. These both lead to where the ram is and are seperated from the bolt and any o-rings for the most part. BUT, the o-rings are critical and dirt will work itself in there if the user isn't careful. Also, if someone dissambles the gun and sets it down on a gritty table, and then reassembles it, its likely that dirt will get in.
A scrathed O-ring would cause a leak, in the gripframe or down the barrel; the severity I don't know. The fix would be fairly easy. Disassemble the gun which is easy and replace 3 or 4 o-rings which is also easy. An alternate solution removes the slit down the bottom of the body but also require buying a different sleeve if you wanted to buy an aftermarket ram cocker.
Also there may be a problem with the ram working its way out of the sleeve. What do you guys think? Do the pros outwiegh the cons? Should we keep thinking and try to come with some other solution? What are you guys, as players, concerned with in a marker? Please take the time to think about it and the more information you give us, the more we can do with it.
I also just stumbled across this thread. You guys are doing great work. I love the body design, very classy. Good luck, and keep us updated. With dirt getting into the gun That won't be a problem. With the ram coming loose..
If you have a ram extending itself against something with resistance then it's probably going keep pushing itself back into place right? That might be kinda hard to mill out though. I believe this has been mentioned, but incase, for somereason, the link for the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th pg wasn't working, I'll say it again. It's not like normal gun; at rest, these o-rings have air pressure on them. Taking them out would create leaks. I'm pretty sure were past that problem and just waiting for Richy to finish the electronics Or was it start A mag with a ram to move the bolt instead of chamber pressure ;- but a whole heck of a lot prettier.
We're planning on using a 9 volt. A timmy uses a 9 volt and were using the same type of solenoid as they do. I don't know how many shots I get, but it's quite a bit.
A mag with a ram to move the bolt instead of chamber pressure " Ehh, not really. Their preformance is lame. Whoa, just found this thread, and damn! Good work!
The only problem that I can see is that it looks a but long But I guess thats cause I'm used to looking at 'mags. Other than that, I like it! If you ever sell them, I will consider getting one if the price isn't insanley high. Keep up the great work guys! WOW guys, this is the first 6 page thread I have ever read. Great work. To your last proposal sp as to what I want as a player, I want something that is simple.
I want something that will preform like my impulse, that I don't have to worry about any thing happen to. My Imp does a good job at this. If I was going to spend bucks on a marker, I want it to work when I want it to work. If you could turn something like that out on your lathe, but with a few differnces to get by the patent issue. Good luck guys, don't give up.
Well, I've been drawing stuff and richy has been slacking on the electronics. Actually hes not slacking hes waiing for mail. Basically, all we need to do is finalize he gripframe- trigger area, and give it all a look over. Then we'll build it, test it, redesign, build, test, etc. Seriously we need some milling ideas becausethat is totally up in the air right now. Go light, but make some awsome milling. Look at the difference in the GZ timmy and the Dragun Timmy.
Basically the same gun, the Dragun just looks prettyer so it sales for more. Just a thought. Whats it like to talk in the 3rd person Richy? The dragons a bit much for me though. I like the idea of a balls out gun, but I guess its got to look good too. I think it woul be a good idea to just keep the milling out of the equation right now.
If you don't do fancy milling then it'll cost less right? Also, Just keep the gun looking good with flowing lines ect. Let people do their own crazy milling because in the end, That's what they like. Think about it. For milling I love the look of the lasoya timmy and the dye reflex cocker. A simple flowing line looks great. You think these guys are confused, richy? Deffinately not plastic. Keep the milling fairly simple. I hate the looks of the Dragon Simple and classy is the way to go.
We're at least going to build another prototype out of clear polycarbonate It will be pretty easy. Easy to drill out main hole, easy to tap barrel threads and have them actually line up; Everything easy, Hopefully.
Should be easier to evaluate any problems were having. I personally would shoot a high grade polymer gun. But, don't make them out of plastic. It would be impossible to market.
Yes stay away from plastic, go read almost any top of the line marker review that has a plastic peice. Look at the OTB frame for the imp, alot nicer then the I frame, more comfotable but it has a plastice trigger, thus everyone is still shooting the I frame. As for milling I say make 2 versions, flowing lines with a cheaper price. Insane Dragon type milling for the big spenders. If so then paintballjewels. Just to let you know.
Also on that polycarbonate. If it's clear will it turn white when you drill it? I was aware of the jewels thing, but thanks. On the polycarbonate If the surface is nice and polished then it is clear.
Unfortunatly, when Im drilling it, I'm getting these small cracks all along the inside surface. Waiting on wiring harness from exarin. Curt, the guy that works there, is apparently up to his ears in work. I talked with him today, he said that he would have it shipped by the end of the week. I'll hopefully have the 2nd prototype finished soon too. I don't know if this was mentioned, but it will be a clear body so we will be able to see the o-rings and what exactly they are doing.
So are you changing the TMCC to a clear body design now? I would say that I like aluminum or steel bodies better because they feel more like a gun but I CAN'T say that because I've never seen a gun ,ade out of clear polycarbonate.
Just some chatter to keep the thread going. I guess that list sounds a bit long, but I'm thinking it really won't be that hard. The clear is just for the prototype, when we have it machined hopefully soon , it will be aluminum. But first I'd like to finish the pump. It's summer now YEAH! Read trough the whole thread, nice project you have going! I was just working on drawings for my own project can't steal your ideas mine is a ramless and valveless design and I was wondering how thick does the aluminium need to be in order not to blow up?
Also where did you get cad, been searching all over for the damn thing ; I know you can get copies of it on ebay for pretty cheep. As far as thickness goes All I can do is an educated guess. Thats a plastic, but its also only holding psi although I'm sure it can hold more. But, its better to go thicker than thiner. Don't mention videos It will be a while and I don't want to start getting pestered already:. Another thing: I guess I didn't completely understand the equalizer boards.
Apparently the dwell timer is started after the bolt is in the forward position. Im asking Jim in another thread. If thats true, I might just have to buy one :D, and then later I could put it in my timmy. Or I could borrow my friends. But I like the first better, good excuse to get one.
Macroline holds way more aka my psi nitro duck screw-in and isn't much thicker. It's true that the prototypes you made are kinda blocky well on the pics anyway so they have a low chance of blowing up Youd need something else to run CNC machines.
Wait a second. I keep hearing you refer to somebody named richie. Is this richie the same richie who is a mod over at WGPpress. Richy is my friend. Were both working on it, not just me. I think hes posted a few times under his name and several times under mine:rolleyes: : He's also in one of the pictures on the first page. Hes not the guy at WGPpress. What did you use to do that. And by the way here's a good news for your marker AKA is going to make a cocker version of the SCM, that's going to lower your bolt's pressure to not even a pinch!
Here's proto 2. Only thing new is the feed tube is actually pressed in not sitting ontop , and the ball detent is in. But I don't know that you guys saw the original stuff from the pump thread.
All that needs to be done now is to make the back half of the body relativly easy assuming everything goes the way it should and to make a adaptor so that I can put our old gripframe on the mag rail. We should be able to use our existing internals. I don't see why not, although there wouldn't be much point because again, this is just a prototype.
Can you put the grip frame on and take a picture of the SIDE I just want to see how it will look. Thanks, Tony. Nothings finished. Been busy with other stuff all afternoon. Here's a pic, Roller. The plate inbetween rail and gripframe is not how I want it, so I'm going to make a new piece.
Add an inch and a half to that body and that's what it will look like. The body pictured is from the pump gun and the two differ. Everythings just about finished, just need to tie up the loose ends. No, that's just a piece that I made. If that works similar to a Matrix which you said it doesnt you could call that the mini-Matrix. I met that dude that worked on the mini-Matrix and I got to shoot it. He called it the Hedron Either way that is pretty cool.
About how tall is that? The Hedron is being made by Aardvark. I believe they are still working on it. I actually talked to the guy over the phone about my project I'm not sure what your asking about heighth.
I dunno but you mag owners should:. About the machining; It's not going to happen this week. Also, you realize that that body is not the right body, the right body is about an inch and a half longer.
Sounds like it's going to be cool. You've come a long way. Give us an new info on the bodie s when you get them! Sounds like the body and everything on the inside is easy to do. However, the gripframe is a completely different story. By looking at the drawings, oneof the guys there estimated 10 hours of run time.
Apparently, it will take so long because they will have to use a very small cutter I guess only a mm or two wide. Also, cuts need to be made on every side except the back. That was just from looking at orthographic drawings though. I just sent them some. I've been doing alot of CAD stuff the last few day and havn't had a change to work on the 2 proto body anymore.
I will let you guys know whats up. Can I get a progress report?? LOL Haven't heard from you guys in a while. You guys haven't given up have you!!! I think that we are all still interested in whats going on. Let us know.. Thanks, Nick. Hey, Glad to see you guys are interested : Basically, we've been talking to the machine shop trying to get our gripframe and body simplified. It really shouldn't be that hard, although I have been a bit lazy with it.
We've been working along time, with little reward. I also have a two part time jobs now, so I'm a bit busy with those. We might end up just making a cylindrical body, like the mage and a blocky gripframe, for the 1st professionally machined prototype anyway. I'm also going to add that our relationship with the machine shop is not how it normally is in the business world and thus, the priority for our stuff is much less.
Planning on taking a look tommorow. There was also an ad for some CNC machines.. Owner going out of business, everything must go, yada yada:. I think those will be out of my price range though.
Still waiting for a bloody wiring harness from exarin.. This is at least a month, going on two. I've called at least three times.
Every response, 'Yah, I'll send it out on I have some patience. I think thats all, lmk if you have questions or know anything about prices on used machines.
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